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  • Linked Discourses 12.30Saṁyutta Nikāya 12.30
  • 3. The Ten Powers3. Dasabalavagga

Ascetics and Brahmins (2nd)Dutiyasamaṇabrāhmaṇasutta

At Sāvatthī.Sāvatthiyaṁ viharati.

“Mendicants, there are ascetics and brahmins who don’t understand old age and death, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation. It’s impossible that they will abide having transcended old age and death.ye hi keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā jarāmaraṇaṁ nappajānanti, jarāmaraṇasamudayaṁ nappajānanti, jarāmaraṇanirodhaṁ nappajānanti, jarāmaraṇanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ nappajānanti te vata jarāmaraṇaṁ samatikkamma ṭhassantīti netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati. They don’t understand rebirth …Jātiṁ nappajānanti …pe… continued existence …bhavaṁ … grasping …upādānaṁ … craving …taṇhaṁ … feeling …vedanaṁ … contact …phassaṁ … the six sense fields …saḷāyatanaṁ … name and form …nāmarūpaṁ … consciousness …viññāṇaṁ … They don’t understand choices, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation. It’s impossible that they will abide having transcended choices.saṅkhāre nappajānanti, saṅkhārasamudayaṁ nappajānanti, saṅkhāranirodhaṁ nappajānanti, saṅkhāranirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ nappajānanti te vata saṅkhāre samatikkamma ṭhassantīti netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.

There are ascetics and brahmins who do understand old age and death, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation. It’s possible that they will abide having transcended old age and death.Ye ca kho keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā jarāmaraṇaṁ pajānanti, jarāmaraṇasamudayaṁ pajānanti, jarāmaraṇanirodhaṁ pajānanti, jarāmaraṇanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ pajānanti te vata jarāmaraṇaṁ samatikkamma ṭhassantīti ṭhānametaṁ vijjati. They understand rebirth …Jātiṁ pajānanti …pe… continued existence …bhavaṁ … grasping …upādānaṁ … craving …taṇhaṁ … feeling …vedanaṁ … contact …phassaṁ … the six sense fields …saḷāyatanaṁ … name and form …nāmarūpaṁ … consciousness …viññāṇaṁ … They understand choices, their origin, their cessation, and the practice that leads to their cessation.saṅkhāre pajānanti, saṅkhārasamudayaṁ pajānanti, saṅkhāranirodhaṁ pajānanti, saṅkhāranirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ pajānanti. It’s possible that they will abide having transcended choices.”Te vata saṅkhāre samatikkamma ṭhassantīti ṭhānametaṁ vijjatī”ti.

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