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Linked Discourses · SN 24.45

  • Linked Discourses 24.45Saṁyutta Nikāya 24.45
  • 3. The Third Round3. Tatiyagamanavagga

WindsNavātasutta

At Sāvatthī.Sāvatthinidānaṁ.

“Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise:“Kismiṁ nu kho, bhikkhave, sati, kiṁ upādāya, kiṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar’?”‘na vātā vāyanti, na najjo sandanti, na gabbhiniyo vijāyanti, na candimasūriyā udenti vā apenti vā esikaṭṭhāyiṭṭhitā’”ti?

“Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. …”“Bhagavaṁmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā …pe….

“When form exists, because of grasping form and insisting on form, the view arises:“Rūpe kho, bhikkhave, sati, rūpaṁ upādāya, rūpaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati— ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar.’na vātā vāyanti …pe… When feeling …vedanāya sati … perception …saññāya sati … choices …saṅkhāresu sati … consciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises:viññāṇe sati, viññāṇaṁ upādāya, viññāṇaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar.’‘na vātā vāyanti …pe… esikaṭṭhāyiṭṭhitā’ti.

What do you think, mendicants?Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave, Is form permanent or impermanent?”rūpaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?

“Impermanent, sir.” …“Aniccaṁ, bhante” …pe…

“But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would the view arise:vipariṇāmadhammaṁ, api nu taṁ anupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjeyya: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar’?”‘na vātā vāyanti …pe… esikaṭṭhāyiṭṭhitā’”ti?

“No, sir.”“No hetaṁ, bhante”.

“And so, what’s impermanent is suffering.“Iti kho, bhikkhave, yadaniccaṁ taṁ dukkhaṁ. When this exists, grasping at this, the view arises:Tasmiṁ sati, tadupādāya, evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar.’‘na vātā vāyanti, na najjo sandanti, na gabbhiniyo vijāyanti, na candimasūriyā udenti vā apenti vā esikaṭṭhāyiṭṭhitā’”ti. Is feeling …“Vedanā … perception …saññā … choices …saṅkhārā … consciousness permanent or impermanent?”viññāṇaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?

“Impermanent, sir.” …“Aniccaṁ, bhante” …pe… vipariṇāmadhammaṁ,

“And so, what’s impermanent is suffering.“Iti kho, bhikkhave, yadaniccaṁ taṁ dukkhaṁ. When this exists, grasping at this, the view arises:Tasmiṁ sati, tadupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar.’”‘na vātā vāyanti …pe… esikaṭṭhāyiṭṭhitā’”ti.

Similar passages elsewhere

Found by meaning, not by citation: the passages in other texts whose wording sits closest to a passage here.

  1. SN 24.19 Winds 0.94near 3.8‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’t give birth; the moon and stars neither rise nor set, but stand firm like a pillar.’ Is feeling … perception … choices … consciousness permanent or impermanent?”…
  2. SN 24.71 Winds 0.88near 0.1Linked Discourses 24.71 4. The Fourth Round Winds At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ‘Winds don’t blow; rivers don’t flow; pregnant women don’…
  3. SN 24.1 Winds 0.85near 3.8Is form permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would the view arise:…
  4. SN 24.36 Neither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists 0.61near 0.1Linked Discourses 24.36 2. The Second Round Neither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ‘A realized one neith…
  5. SN 24.7 Cause 0.59near 3.8“Is feeling … perception … choices … consciousness permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” … “That which is seen, heard, thought, known, attained, sought, and explored by the mind: is that permanent or impermanent…
  6. SN 18.12–20 The Nine Discourses on Sights, Etc. 0.58near 3.8Is consciousness permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” … “Seeing this … They understand: ‘… there is nothing further for this place.’”…