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Linked Discourses · SN 24.7

  • Linked Discourses 24.7Saṁyutta Nikāya 24.7
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CauseHetusutta

At Sāvatthī.Sāvatthinidānaṁ.

“Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise:“Kismiṁ nu kho, bhikkhave, sati, kiṁ upādāya, kiṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘There is no cause or reason for the corruption of sentient beings.‘natthi hetu, natthi paccayo sattānaṁ saṅkilesāya. Sentient beings are corrupted without cause or reason.Ahetū appaccayā sattā saṅkilissanti. There’s no cause or reason for the purification of sentient beings.Natthi hetu, natthi paccayo sattānaṁ visuddhiyā. Sentient beings are purified without cause or reason.Ahetū appaccayā sattā visujjhanti. There is no power, no energy, no human strength or vigor.Natthi balaṁ natthi vīriyaṁ natthi purisathāmo natthi purisaparakkamo. All sentient beings, all living creatures, all beings, all souls lack control, power, and energy. Molded by destiny, circumstance, and nature, they experience pleasure and pain in the six classes of rebirth’?”Sabbe sattā sabbe pāṇā sabbe bhūtā sabbe jīvā avasā abalā avīriyā niyatisaṅgatibhāvapariṇatā chasvevābhijātīsu sukhadukkhaṁ paṭisaṁvedentī’”ti?

“Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. …”“Bhagavaṁmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā …pe…

“When form exists, because of grasping form and insisting on form, the view arises:“Rūpe kho, bhikkhave, sati, rūpaṁ upādāya, rūpaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘There is no cause or reason …‘natthi hetu, natthi paccayo …pe… they experience pleasure and pain in the six classes of rebirth.’sukhadukkhaṁ paṭisaṁvedentī’ti. When feeling …Vedanāya sati …pe… perception …saññāya sati … choices …saṅkhāresu sati … consciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises:viññāṇe sati, viññāṇaṁ upādāya, viññāṇaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘There is no cause or reason …‘natthi hetu, natthi paccayo …pe… they experience pleasure and pain in the six classes of rebirth.’sukhadukkhaṁ paṭisaṁvedentī’ti.

What do you think, mendicants?Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave, Is form permanent or impermanent?”rūpaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?

“Impermanent, sir.” …“Aniccaṁ, bhante …pe…

“Is feeling …“Vedanā … perception …saññā … choices …saṅkhārā … consciousness permanent or impermanent?”viññāṇaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?

“Impermanent, sir.” …“Aniccaṁ, bhante …pe…

“That which is seen, heard, thought, known, attained, sought, and explored by the mind: is that permanent or impermanent?”“Yampidaṁ diṭṭhaṁ sutaṁ mutaṁ viññātaṁ pattaṁ pariyesitaṁ anuvicaritaṁ manasā tampi niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?

“Impermanent, sir.” …“Aniccaṁ, bhante …pe…

“But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would such a view arise?”api nu taṁ anupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjeyya:

“No, sir.”“No hetaṁ, bhante”.

“When a noble disciple has given up doubt regarding these six grounds, and has given up doubt in suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation,“Yato kho, bhikkhave, ariyasāvakassa imesu ca ṭhānesu kaṅkhā pahīnā hoti, dukkhepissa kaṅkhā pahīnā hoti …pe… dukkhanirodhagāminiyā paṭipadāyapissa kaṅkhā pahīnā hoti— they’re called a noble disciple who is a stream-enterer, not liable to be reborn in the underworld, assured, destined for awakening.”ayaṁ vuccati, bhikkhave, ariyasāvako sotāpanno avinipātadhammo niyato sambodhiparāyano”ti.

Similar passages elsewhere

Found by meaning, not by citation: the passages in other texts whose wording sits closest to a passage here.

  1. SN 22.152 This is My Self 0.76near 3.8choices … consciousness permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” “But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would…
  2. SN 24.8 The Extensive View 0.71near 3.8“Impermanent, sir.” … “But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would such a view arise?” “No, sir.” “When a noble disciple has given up doubt regarding these six grounds, and has given up doubt…
  3. SN 18.12–20 The Nine Discourses on Sights, Etc. 0.71near 3.8Is consciousness permanent or impermanent?” “Impermanent, sir.” … “Seeing this … They understand: ‘… there is nothing further for this place.’”…
  4. MN 146 Advice from Nandaka 0.66near 3.8“Impermanent, sir.” “But if they’re impermanent, are they suffering or happiness?” “Suffering, sir.” “But if they’re impermanent, suffering, and perishable, are they fit to be regarded thus: ‘This is mine, I am this, thi…
  5. SN 24.6 Acting 0.65near 3.8there is no merit or outcome of merit.’ When feeling … perception … choices … consciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises: ‘The one who acts does nothing wrong…
  6. MN 60 A Sure Bet 0.58near 0.1There are some ascetics and brahmins who have this doctrine and view: ‘There is no cause or reason for the corruption of sentient beings. Sentient beings are corrupted without cause or reason. There’s no cause or reason…
  7. SN 22.18 Impermanence With Its Cause 0.52near 0.1Linked Discourses 22.18 2. Impermanence Impermanence With Its Cause At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, form is impermanent. The cause and reason that gives rise to form is also impermanent. Since form is produced by what is imper…
  8. SN 22.20 Not-Self With Its Cause 0.50near 0.1Linked Discourses 22.20 2. Impermanence Not-Self With Its Cause At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, form is not-self. The cause and reason that gives rise to form is also not-self. Since form is produced by what is not-self, how c…