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  • Linked Discourses 24.70Saṁyutta Nikāya 24.70
  • 3. The Third Round3. Tatiyagamanavagga

The Self is Neither Happy Nor SufferingAdukkhamasukhīsutta

At Sāvatthī.Sāvatthinidānaṁ.

“Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise:“Kismiṁ nu kho, bhikkhave, sati, kiṁ upādāya, kiṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘The self is neither happy nor suffering, and healthy after death’?”‘adukkhamasukhī attā hoti arogo paraṁ maraṇā’”ti?

“Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. …”“Bhagavaṁmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā …pe….

“When form exists, because of grasping form and insisting on form, the view arises:“Rūpe kho, bhikkhave, sati, rūpaṁ upādāya, rūpaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘The self is neither happy nor suffering, and is healthy after death.’‘adukkhamasukhī attā hoti arogo paraṁ maraṇā’”ti. When feeling …“Vedanāya sati …pe… perception …saññāya sati … choices …saṅkhāresu sati … consciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises:viññāṇe sati, viññāṇaṁ upādāya, viññāṇaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘The self is neither happy nor suffering, and healthy after death.’‘adukkhamasukhī attā hoti arogo paraṁ maraṇā’ti.

What do you think, mendicants?Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave, Is form permanent or impermanent?”rūpaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?

“Impermanent, sir.” …“Aniccaṁ, bhante” …pe… vipariṇāmadhammaṁ,

“And so, what’s impermanent is suffering.“Iti kho, bhikkhave, yadaniccaṁ taṁ dukkhaṁ. When this exists, grasping at this, the view arises:Tasmiṁ sati, tadupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘The self is neither happy nor suffering, and is healthy after death.’‘adukkhamasukhī attā hoti arogo paraṁ maraṇā’”ti. Is feeling …“Vedanā …pe… perception …saññā … choices …saṅkhārā … consciousness permanent or impermanent?”viññāṇaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?

“Impermanent, sir.” …“Aniccaṁ, bhante” …pe… vipariṇāmadhammaṁ,

“But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would such a view arise?”api nu taṁ anupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjeyya:

“No, sir.”“No hetaṁ, bhante”.

“And so, what’s impermanent is suffering.“Iti kho, bhikkhave, yadaniccaṁ taṁ dukkhaṁ. When this exists, grasping at this, the view arises:Tasmiṁ sati, tadupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati: ‘The self is neither happy nor suffering, and healthy after death.’”‘adukkhamasukhī attā hoti arogo paraṁ maraṇā’”ti.

Similar passages elsewhere

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  1. SN 24.96 The Self is Neither Happy Nor Suffering 0.89near 0.1Linked Discourses 24.96 4. The Fourth Round The Self is Neither Happy Nor Suffering At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ‘The self is neither ha…
  2. SN 24.36 Neither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists 0.68near 0.1Linked Discourses 24.36 2. The Second Round Neither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ‘A realized one neith…
  3. SN 24.44 The Self is Neither Happy Nor Suffering 0.60near 0.1Linked Discourses 24.44 2. The Second Round The Self is Neither Happy Nor Suffering “‘The self is neither happy nor suffering, and is healthy after death’?” ……
  4. SN 24.37 The Self is Formed 0.59near 0.1Linked Discourses 24.37 2. The Second Round The Self is Formed At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ‘The self is formed and is healthy after dea…
  5. SN 24.38 The Self is Formless 0.59near 0.1Linked Discourses 24.38 2. The Second Round The Self is Formless At Sāvatthī. “Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise: ‘The self is formless and healthy after de…