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Linked Discourses · SN 44.10

  • Linked Discourses 44.10Saṁyutta Nikāya 44.10
  • 1. The Undeclared Points1. Abyākatavagga

With ĀnandaĀnandasutta

Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him.Atha kho vacchagotto paribbājako yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavatā saddhiṁ sammodi. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to the Buddha:Sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho vacchagotto paribbājako bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:

“Worthy Gotama, does the self survive?”“kiṁ nu kho, bho gotama, atthattā”ti? But when he said this, the Buddha kept silent.Evaṁ vutte, bhagavā tuṇhī ahosi.

“Then does the self not survive?”“Kiṁ pana, bho gotama, natthattā”ti? But for a second time the Buddha kept silent.Dutiyampi kho bhagavā tuṇhī ahosi. Then the wanderer Vacchagotta rose from his seat and left.Atha kho vacchagotto paribbājako uṭṭhāyāsanā pakkāmi.

And then, not long after Vacchagotta had left, Venerable Ānanda said to the Buddha:Atha kho āyasmā ānando acirapakkante vacchagotte paribbājake bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:

“Sir, why didn’t you answer Vacchagotta’s question?”“kiṁ nu kho, bhante, bhagavā vacchagottassa paribbājakassa pañhaṁ puṭṭho na byākāsī”ti?

“Ānanda, when Vacchagotta asked me whether the self survives, if I had answered that ‘the self survives’ I would have been siding with the ascetics and brahmins who are eternalists.“Ahañcānanda, vacchagottassa paribbājakassa ‘atthattā’ti puṭṭho samāno ‘atthattā’ti byākareyyaṁ, ye te, ānanda, samaṇabrāhmaṇā sassatavādā tesametaṁ saddhiṁ abhavissa. When Vacchagotta asked me whether the self does not survive, if I had answered that ‘the self does not survive’ I would have been siding with the ascetics and brahmins who are annihilationists.Ahañcānanda, vacchagottassa paribbājakassa ‘natthattā’ti puṭṭho samāno ‘natthattā’ti byākareyyaṁ, ye te, ānanda, samaṇabrāhmaṇā ucchedavādā tesametaṁ saddhiṁ abhavissa.

When Vacchagotta asked me whether the self survives, if I had answered that ‘the self survives’, would that have facilitated the arising of the knowledge thatAhañcānanda, vacchagottassa paribbājakassa ‘atthattā’ti puṭṭho samāno ‘atthattā’ti byākareyyaṁ, api nu me taṁ, ānanda, anulomaṁ abhavissa ñāṇassa uppādāya: all things are not-self?”‘sabbe dhammā anattā’”ti?

“No, sir.”“No hetaṁ, bhante”.

“When Vacchagotta asked me whether the self does not survive, if I had answered that ‘the self does not survive’, Vacchagotta—who is already confused—would have got even more confused, thinking:“Ahañcānanda, vacchagottassa paribbājakassa ‘natthattā’ti puṭṭho samāno ‘natthattā’ti byākareyyaṁ, sammūḷhassa, ānanda, vacchagottassa paribbājakassa bhiyyo sammohāya abhavissa: ‘It seems that the self that I once had no longer survives.’”‘ahuvā me nūna pubbe attā, so etarahi natthī’”ti.

Similar passages elsewhere

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  2. SN 44.7 With Moggallāna 0.64near 0.1Linked Discourses 44.7 1. The Undeclared Points With Moggallāna Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to Venerable Mahāmoggallāna, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, h…
  3. SN 44.11 With Sabhiya Kaccāna 0.58near 0.1Linked Discourses 44.11 1. The Undeclared Points With Sabhiya Kaccāna At one time Venerable Sabhiya Kaccāna was staying at Ñātika in the brick house. Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to him, and exchanged greetings…
  4. SN 33.51–54 Four Discourses on Not Directly Experiencing Form, Etc. 0.58near 0.1Linked Discourses 33.51 1. With Vacchagotta Four Discourses on Not Directly Experiencing Form, Etc. At Sāvatthī. Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings an…
  5. SN 44.9 The Debating Hall 0.56near 0.1Linked Discourses 44.9 1. The Undeclared Points The Debating Hall Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to…
  6. SN 14.32 In Search of Gratification 0.53near 2.9Knowledge and vision arose in me: ‘My freedom is unshakable; this is my last rebirth; now there’ll be no more future lives.’”…
  7. SN 22.27 Gratification (2nd) 0.52near 2.9Knowledge and vision arose in me: ‘My freedom is unshakable; this is my last rebirth; now there’ll be no more future lives.’”…
  8. SN 22.26 Gratification 0.52near 2.9Knowledge and vision arose in me: ‘My freedom is unshakable; this is my last rebirth; now there’ll be no more future lives.’”…