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Linked Discourses · SN 44.4

  • Linked Discourses 44.4Saṁyutta Nikāya 44.4
  • 1. The Undeclared Points1. Abyākatavagga

With Sāriputta and Koṭṭhita (2nd)Dutiyasāriputtakoṭṭhikasutta

At one time Venerable Sāriputta and Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita were staying near Varanasi in the deer park at Isipatana. …Ekaṁ samayaṁ āyasmā ca sāriputto, āyasmā ca mahākoṭṭhiko bārāṇasiyaṁ viharanti isipatane migadāye …pe…

(The same down as far as:)(sāyeva pucchā.)

“What’s the cause, reverend, what’s the reason why this has not been declared by the Buddha?”“Ko nu kho, āvuso, hetu, ko paccayo, yenetaṁ abyākataṁ bhagavatā”ti?

“Reverend, not truly knowing and seeing form, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation, one thinks ‘a realized one still exists after death’ or“Rūpaṁ kho, āvuso, ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, rūpasamudayaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, rūpanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, rūpanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘a realized one no longer exists after death’ or‘na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘a realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death’ or‘hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti.

Not truly knowing or seeing feeling …Vedanaṁ …pe… perception …saññaṁ …pe… choices …saṅkhāre …pe… consciousness, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation, one thinks ‘a realized one still exists after death’ orviññāṇaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, viññāṇasamudayaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, viññāṇanirodhaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, viññāṇanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ ajānato apassato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘a realized one no longer exists after death’ or‘na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘a realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death’ or‘hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa hoti; ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”tipissa hoti.

Truly knowing and seeing form …Rūpañca kho, āvuso, jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, rūpasamudayaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, rūpanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, rūpanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti …pe… feeling …Vedanaṁ …pe… perception …saññaṁ …pe… choices …saṅkhāre …pe… consciousness, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation, one doesn’t think ‘a realized one still exists after death’ orviññāṇaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, viññāṇasamudayaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, viññāṇanirodhaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, viññāṇanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ jānato passato yathābhūtaṁ, ‘hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti; ‘a realized one no longer exists after death’ or‘na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti; ‘a realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death’ or‘hoti ca na ca hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti; ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’tipissa na hoti.

This is the cause, this is the reason why this has not been declared by the Buddha.”Ayaṁ kho, āvuso, hetu ayaṁ paccayo, yenetaṁ abyākataṁ bhagavatā”ti.

Similar passages elsewhere

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